Nailer Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 (edited) Last year I lost a 300' 45# copper due to the copper breaking at the knot. The copper was quite new and broke, not the mono. When I bought the 32# from Greg of Profishent Charters/BloodRun Tackle, he said it's a good idea when tying an Albright knot to add a 2" Haywire to the copper. The Haywire helps to distribute the load away from the knot. I just got my copper reels back from Tuna Tom all fixed up with new drags. After redoing all the connections, I thought I would post a pic of what he was talking about. Edited December 17, 2010 by Nailer
KJ pluggin Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 Does the tag end stay pretty tight with the twist? Just curious if it ever catches going through the eyes.
Treblemaker Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 We use the same twist, but tie to a SPRO ant swivel. When I twist I prefer to keep the main line copper straight and wrap the tag tightly around for a more compact knot. Another consideration is to limit your leader length to 30' or less. Any longer you will lose some depth.
wild at heart Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 Yea, what Timmy said. We stopped with the Albrights a couple years ago because they can work loose. If your twist starts to fray, and it will after time, it only takes like 15 seconds to redo it.
fishsniffer Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 i use the spro swivel with a haywire twist..then use a small piece of shrink tube over the haywire...fits nicely thru line guide on cv55..also switched to wide mouth line guide and fits even better...was concerned about haywire but the strength is far beyond the leader strength and also dont have line twist issues with the spro swivel as opposed to the albright
fishsniffer Posted December 17, 2010 Posted December 17, 2010 pretty much what tim said now that i look at it:grin:
Hotdog71 Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 Does anyone have a good set of instructions on how to tie this knot? I've seen couple videos but the knot isn't clear because they tie it too far from the camera.I'm tired of having a huge albright to pull through my guides. Is the swivel an issue or does it go right on through?I had the same issue that Nailer had, losing a whole setup. Don't want that to happen again.
Nailer Posted January 12, 2011 Author Posted January 12, 2011 Does anyone have a good set of instructions on how to tie this knot? I've seen couple videos but the knot isn't clear because they tie it too far from the camera.I'm tired of having a huge albright to pull through my guides. Is the swivel an issue or does it go right on through?I had the same issue that Nailer had, losing a whole setup. Don't want that to happen again.Click here for Albright Knot.The Haywire is simply a twist around itself.It's best to use a pole with big guides for copper. I read a piece where the small swivel is actually smaller than an Albright knot.
Line Dancin Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I tie an albright and then a dab of fishing line glue. The knot cant work loose as it is glued in place. As far as the twist unless you put shrink tube over it, it will catch on the guides, and fray up and is just a pain. I have tried that method and didn't personally like it to much. I also dont like putting heat that near my mono when using heat shrink. Knock on wood i have not lost a copper since i went to this method four years ago.
fishsniffer Posted January 12, 2011 Posted January 12, 2011 I tie an albright and then a dab of fishing line glue. The knot cant work loose as it is glued in place. As far as the twist unless you put shrink tube over it, it will catch on the guides, and fray up and is just a pain. I have tried that method and didn't personally like it to much. I also dont like putting heat that near my mono when using heat shrink. Knock on wood i have not lost a copper since i went to this method four years ago.i always do the copper then the mono so no heat near the mono
joelsanders Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Albright is so hard to tie when the boat is rockin,i like the twist&spro connection
Hotdog71 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Joel, When you talk about the twist and spro connection are you just feeding the line through swivel then twisting it, or is there another knot that I'm missing?
fishsniffer Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Joel, When you talk about the twist and spro connection are you just feeding the line through swivel then twisting it, or is there another knot that I'm missing?You put the copper thru abot an inch and a half and wrap it over itself about 5or6 times then a little shrink wrap if you want. (haywire twist)
Hotdog71 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Thanks Don. Sounds easy to do. I appreciate the info.
Hotdog71 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Guys, I just redid my copper connections using the Spro swivel and shrink tube. I have to tell you, WOW! I am impressed. After struggling with my albright knot going through the reel guides last year, this is a welcome change. This went through the top of the guide with little to no sound. To all the guys that recommended this knot, THANK YOU!!!! I can't wait to get back on the big pond!
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