Thanks all for the come backs on this thread. Jimmy, I pulled out my GPS and looked at the waypoints from my first summer on the lake. I have 2 major piles of "hook ups" South of Holland in that 50-70 fow area. I know I started down that way 60% of the time this summer for that reason. I went down that way one morning after talking to Ken who was KILLING the fish inside north of Holland. The problem with that morning was 30 boats were all over each other in that small area. I said the heck with it pulled everything and RAN south. ended up 5-7 down there. (which is good for me) I know alot of the perch guys run half way to Saugatuck from holland some days when the bite is slow in the hole north of the pier, I have never looked around that area. Does it have a creek or something that comes into the lake>??