Jim, You are 100 % correct on the Okumas. I have an even dozen of the MA20DX 2- MA30DX and at least 4 of the MA45 DX. I haven't had any issues with them. The smaller 20s are used for Spring fishing and all Summer long for walleye. Some people I take out don't know how to handle equipment. They have taken licking and keep on ticking. I do have a couple of Diawas GL 47LCs that I like better, but for the $$$ you can't beat the Okumas. I can buy the 15s for $25 the 20s for $27. Gotta Love Northwoods.