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After salmon run..
FBD replied to Fishrmac's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
Second week in October I've limited out on steel in 8' and steel 17 miles out over 330'. With Lakers open year round now I'm looking forward to targeting them as the season winds down, as we catch a lot in close up until ice forms. -
"Hearty". Understatement? That would be a one meal fir the day breakfast for me.
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the run has begun - Holland Harbor
FBD replied to 2MD's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
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the run has begun - Holland Harbor
FBD replied to 2MD's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
More fun in the harbor: My last daughter was born the first week of October. We scheduled her weekly doctor's appointments leading up to her birth at 10am and I'd fish before them. If the fish were in, I'd miss them. Third kid wife didn't mind. My oldest and I were late to my middle daughter's birthday party as just as we were pulling lines on an afternoon trip we hit a double. I was at the Outdoorsman in Jenison buying replacement tackle from the trip the night before and grabbing lunch when my second daughter decided to be born much faster than expected in Zeeland after zero progress all morning. Remember that big bump on Chicago Drive in that area? You could launch a Grand Cherokee a long ways off it back then. I crossed lines with a kid throwing a Cleo, and I cut his line and told him to wait. When we came back around I threw it to him, but it hit the rail and fell into the channel. So I dug one out of my box and threw it way over him, where he spent a while digging it out of the sand. I chopped a fillet off a salmon in the channel and traded it for a hamburger someone was grilling at the state park. Finished out a trip with Dave Mull having an Ace Hi hanging off his thumb, as we were on fish. I've netted a fish for another boat while riding back in, a walleye guy jigging that took off chasing a surprise king across Mac. I've had a guest threaten to shoot a king that hung up just out of netting range (he was legal to carry, but we agreed that while Alaskans shoot halibut we probably should not shoot kings, especially in traffic). Back when I had two weeks vacation I took a week off each year just to fish harbors. Had a 500# week in the three fish era, picking up strangers on the pier to stay out fishing. I threw so many carcasses in the field next to my house that run that the cats and vermin could not keep up and my neighbor got an unwelcome surprise walking to his stand on opening day of bow season. We laugh about it now and he cuts through my lawn. Only guy in Saugatuck in the dark, setting the first rod in the release when a king ripped it from my fingers and somehow broke the line. Being a freshly charged J plug I followed him until it slid up the line and popped to the surface. We caught two fish that day with a CO's john boat tied off to my Four Winns and the CO helping to crew as he didn't have much choice at that point. Tried to send a fish with him but he didn't have a cooler. I miss those days. -
the run has begun - Holland Harbor
FBD replied to 2MD's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
Labor Day 2011 my wife, buddy and I limited out with 12 kings, three coho, and a 10.4# walleye in the afternoon. A brutal cold north wind and 4-6' waves out front kept fishing and pleasure boat traffic to a minimum, and warm water and low current kept the fish piled up at Big Red. We did not want to quit, so we called my nephew to pick up our oldest daughter from the sitter, and another cooler, and caught 10 more kings after picking them up at the launch. If I can find it there is a picture of 15 fish in a cooler that won't close, sitting on the back seat of my friend's Oldsmobile. He drove around Mac to clean them at the cleaning station, but the DNR was there and he suddenly realized he had three limits and one license, so he took them home and brought them to the station five at a time. I caught more kings that afternoon than I have in the last three seasons combined. -
the run has begun - Holland Harbor
FBD replied to 2MD's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
This is the first year in a long time I remembered the rocks stick out more than the break wall. First year I haven't stuck a diver firmly in the rocks on my first pass. We launch by the Tiara docks in the no wake zone. My record, back in the three king limit era, was 47 minutes dock to dock. We set up at the green can and were 4/4 by Big Red that night, went 6/10 by the time we were done. -
South Haven 9/2 AM to PM
FBD replied to Creekerman's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
Was really hoping this was going to be the report where someone got into them. We had the same thing in Port Sheldon last Saturday, marks and bait, small balls, at 40 over 105'. Loose bait and hooks at 80 down. Hits came deep but the temp break was deeper that night. -
the run has begun - Holland Harbor
FBD replied to 2MD's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
I was well outside of the channel, however, you are responsible for your wake. He could have waited 10 more seconds to open it up until he was last the couple boats working the piers. I'm sure this guy knew what kind of wake his boat threw and just didn't care. I got stopped for excessive wake going 4.3 mph in my 14' in the channel. While listening to the drivel from the sheriff we were rocked by the wakes of several 35-50' boats, but that was OK as they have to go that fast to maintain steerage per the sheriff. -
the run has begun - Holland Harbor
FBD replied to 2MD's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
Three hours at the piers in perfect conditions yesterday morning. Even mark some bait and / or perch. Not a bump, didn't see any one else hook up, never saw anybody on the pier hook up. Went into Mac to look for walleye but within five minutes every rod was covered in salad. Back home sleeping at 9 am. On a bright note, I just about hit a Sea Ray with no nav lights on at 5:45, and had some monster of a boat try to plane out right next to me throw such a wake that it tripped both my riggers and divers and sent my front seat crew member to the floor. He thought he was going to fall out of the boat. I thought we were rolling over. At least a 4' breaking sheer wave that I had to spin and gun the throttle to take bow first or we would have rolled. -
I've got lots of people who like to eat salmon. Wild caught salmon is $20 a pound. Skinned and pin bones removed, I get about 35% yield on kings from cooler weight to fillet weight, so a 15# king is a $100 fish. A two man limit of heavies back in the day put more meat in the freezer than shooting a nice buck. I don't eat fish but I smoke and can a lot of it for gifts. I once laughed about losing a nice king in the prop wash, and my buddy said "I will bring some t bones out here and throw them over if we lose a king and see if you laugh".
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Not sure how well bigger kings would survive released into warm water. Earlier in the year not so big of a deal when the lake is 50 top to bottom. We had a 15# last Saturday that just fought and fought and fought. When I finally netted it, I didn't have to smack it, as it never twitched. Warm water was 80' deep and we hooked him and fought him in that bath water. I know releasing salmon, big salmon, is more common in Lake Ontario but can't speculate as to why. Lots of dynamics going on with salmon right now. Will be interesting to sed how it pans out.
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There's also a no Unum threshold to plant due to predators. If you're going to lose 5k before they disperse to the lake, better to lose 5k out if 50k and not a third of them. My nephew caught a master angler walleye in Mac last spring a week after the net pin was opened, and it was full of king smolts. Oddly, the browns we caught this spring in Lake Michigan were full of little browns...
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The river into Holland is a glorified agricultural drain. I doubt there's any significant natural reproduction. Even the Joe, Kzoo, and Grand have tribs that support limited reproduction. I've seen steelhead and caught small rainbows 5 miles from my house in a stream that is not planted. Not sure if any of those guys run the gauntlet of pike and make it to the big lake. I firmly believe that other than staging mature fish, the fish we catch out if Holland year round are not Holland plants. My CWT returns have fish from all over LM and even some from Lake Huron with no pattern. I've caught mature fish in August from St. Joe, WI, and Rogers City in the same trip. Fish also stray a lot. We catch coho in Lake Mac and the nearest plant was the Grand. So don't be too worried about it.
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Alewives are far from out of trouble. I'll take a few down years on kings over having them being gone forever. Harbor patrol may suck, and I'm fond of playing bumper boats, but the king fishing out of Holland has been solid this year, to the new normal. I caught more kings in May this year than I caught in 2015 and 2016 combined. I caught kings every time I looked for them this year. Other than April, I never specifically targetted trout this year.
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For five years, all planted kings had the adipose fin clipped. This program is now wrapping up and moving to mass marking of steelhead. Since a rare king makes it more than 3 years in the lakes (don't believe all the bs about kings running at 4 years old, when lots of studies have shown that unless stressed most kings, like 95% depending on the river, run at 2-3 years old) at this point in time it's safe to say all kings in Lake Michigan that are stocked are fin clipped. What's so impossible to explain? Pinks were planted, once, by accident like 40 years ago and now can be found all over Superior and Huron and even in Michigan. The Pere Marquette has not been stocked in like, forever, and has a great run of kings. Coho naturally reproduce in many Lake Superior streams, and I catch rainbow smolts while brookie fishing in Allegan County. There's been natural reproduction of almost all the fish to some extent in the big lake for some time, with the lakers taking off as the alewive population crashed, due to a switched diet - the alewives had a chemical in them that hampered egg development. We even allow people to catch spawning fish and wade through their redds. With so many salmon and so much productive water they can spawn in, it's kind of amazing that with all we do not to protect the fish, we still see about 70% wild fish in the catch. But even one pair of kings successfully spawning can hatch 1000's of smolts.
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Pentwater 8/26 AM & PM
FBD replied to Mega Byte's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
Thank you for the info. I've looked at the launch on the south side and used the public one on the north side once, in April, and the water was so low I had to push the 14' out in waders. That was a couple years ago when the water was very low all around. Typically this time of year for the heavies we find where the thermocline hits the bottom, go 10' deeper, and just pound that bottom 10' of water. Doesn't always work, but it can be very good especially early and late. -
Pentwater 8/26 AM & PM
FBD replied to Mega Byte's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
Where do you launch and is the cleaning station public? My parents live up there but I always fish Ludington as it's familiar. Whole lake is no wake if I recall? -
Pentwater 8/26 AM & PM
FBD replied to Mega Byte's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
We used to wail on out of temp matures in 30-40' in front of Holland when there were more kings. You had to have your stuff in the bottom five feet, you had about a twenty minute window to hook them at dark, and some days your graph would look like demo mode and nothing would hit. I recall a perch trip with my nephew and dad in law where we hooked up all four rods out and squashed the one poor perch in the cooler. As it got dark we watched these long lines swim across the graph so quickly threw out the salmon gear. -
Port Sheldon 8-26 p.m.
FBD replied to homebrew87's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
Solo trip this am. Alarm goes off at 4:30, say screw this I'll take the kids tonight and roll over. Woke up at ten. Didn't know I was that beat. Kids had plans. Well, most of them. Launched at 5:45 was set up at the buoy by 6:30. Somehow ended up in 105' off Camp Geneva when we pulled them, took half an hour to get into port in the 14'. Had my three year old and wife crewing. Lost something small that hit a s w r flounder pounder in the flutter up, letting my boo reel it in. About eight pm a wire diver, white spnny green fly out 225' got thrashed. Stopped at 400, took a break, and then went to 600. I cleared the 225 copper and we spun circles around it, got it to 200 and it took off again. Came in towing the 300 copper then went through the other wire just to be like that. 30# beast, no, more like a 15# with an attitude. Just got set back up and the s w r down 80 tapped once. Reeled down to it, and Billy Bob hook set when it got tight. Three year old piles on my lap and we reel in a 6# coho. Trolled back into 80 nice marks and some bait but no more hits. Called it at 9:15. Great night. Daughter fell asleep on my wife's lap on the way in and then talked about the 11 fish we caught as we rode home. Girl already talks like a fisherman. -
Port Sheldon 8-26-AM
FBD replied to biglake's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
Steel 125' down on a plug. Weird. -
Ludington 8-19 pm Buoy said 1.6'. Buoy was wrong. All waves look bigger in a 14' but it was sporty out there. Not dangerous but far from comfortable. 40 minutes to bludgeon our way out to 80' off the project, marking bait in 70-80'. SW wind becoming south but the thermocline came up while we were out there. Weird. And currents were a mess. I bet our plot last night looks like a college pub crawl on quarter draft night. Had a swing and a miss on a white spinny green fly out 250' on a wire in 110' then took a fat 7.5# coho on a mag SS UV green dolphin off a 300 copper. Cloverleafed that spot and nothing more so we headed in closer. Took a small, and I mean small laker on the same wire diver. About eight lost a good king on a swr down 60 mag bloody nose Moonshine. Got all set up for the late bite that never happened. Had to turn when some big azz car ferry would not move for me. Really? I got coppers out... Ran back in, well, more of a brisk jog, pump running the whole time as those 1.6' were coming over the bow. Cleaning station didn't have much of a line. Guy who went 9/12 in the am was skunked last night. Would have been nice to have that king. But after towing the boat up here 8 times and fishing four I finally got something more than 2# out of Ludington. Every time I tow it up here the weather turns, I run out of time, or there's enough ducks around that I don't get to fishing. Now to drive 20 miles to the cop shop to see if I can get my $30 parking ticket tossed as my receipt slid off my dash last night. Sigh.
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Grand Haven 8/14 PM
FBD replied to Wheres Joe's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
Sheriff in Port Sheldon on the way out last night but not on the way in. Should have been. Lots of idiots going 8-10 mph throwing up huge wakes to get to the launch two minutes faster. They should just punch it up, plane out, and save us the trouble of surfing their huge wake. The ticket's the same. -
Lots of currents out there last night.
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Muskegon 8/11 am
FBD replied to Seahunt210's topic in Michigan Waters Fishing Reports - Salmon and Trout
I run standard with a mag ring on wire, and at a two setting I get a foot of depth for every three feet out. I've pulled Lakers with them 400 out in 140' of water. x