well had the pleasure to fish wiyh roger and randy, we left the dock at 600 am and ran straight out to 100 ft and set up on a s,w ,troll set a 12 rod spread .which was 2 rigger 4 divers and 6 coppers wefished till 130 pm and finished thday 21 for 27 with 2 dinks released best water was 120 to 180 south of holland