i have all brands in my box and i am not picking on nick its just that normal junes are dead slow .ithink that june was a 2 week period this year and we now are starting to catch july fish that we wouldn't see till around the 4 of july and if my memory serve me right we had this 3 year ago and the 4 of july was 2 hour trips for 12 king as that was a limit for 4 peple at that time .so that what i am hoping this 4 is going to be :grin::grin: