Thanks Jason We were out Saturday am and only landed 2 kings. We were stright out from the harbor (Arcadia)in about 100 to 130 ft of water and didn't mark a single fish.Should have listened to my friend and headed north out of the harbor. We ran basicly dodgers and flies and meat rigs. What type of hooks do you put on your plugs? (and are you talking about J-plugs) I really appreciate the info. Tight Lines! Thanks again Matt