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We used to do this about 14 or so years ago when i first started. We did this normally fishing anything below 100, before there were other, more productive ways to get baits down there. Top line would always be about half the length back as the deep line. It's something we really haven't done in the last 10 years or so, mostly because it just isnt as productive as runnin a pinned slider and a copper, or more divers. Stacking takes rods away from your limit and allows less baits in the water. I guess theoretically you could pin a slider to the top rod if it were long enough to get past the bow of your bottom rod, but your just hoping for troubles then Another reason we went away from it is because of the way its gotta be done. Pulling the top rod every time the bottom one goes off, and when the rigger bite is on, we all know you gotta get it back down there! Although it is kind of fun to see both rigger rods start pounding at the same time! It also makes it EXTREMELY challenging, if not impossible to run any type of rotator or paddle on a rigger. I personally think its great for a smaller boat, or someone by themselves not interested in running anything long.

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Tomorrow is 10/9 Get out to where the water clarity breaks!

Hey its crooked! haha jk. Looks good!

Id take several of them at that price! HOLY COW! lol

wow, i just did a google search. If they're the really nice vertical triples that is a CRAZYYYYYYYYYYY deal. Buy them and resell those suckers lol.

Buy em, buy em, buy em! lol

Great lookin new boat Jon!

Wire is by far much much more fun to fight a fish on! As far as hook up ratios, everyone has their own little saying. Personally i went to longer snubbers and longer leaders. Baby the fish on their first run, then once they turn crank em in and dont let em turn again. We run 4 wires at all times As far as probes, we put a fishhawk x4 on this year. Absolutely love it. Although the screen is WAY too bright when its dark out, and has no contrast adjustment.

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Yea. Unfortunately John is the same age as me, and the original buyer. We're all pretty good friends.. We were all kind of shocked that he would do that. But he's in it to make a buck i guess. He is actually much happier he didnt end up buying the boat because of all the issues, it was a blessing in disguise for sure.

Hehe Frank, Sundays most people don't put down deposits seeing how banks aren't open, and those who have jobs aren't always free to do their browsing on weekdays Also the boat had several issues prolly a better thing they didnt get it. The motor would pop out of the water during turns?! The boat doesnt stand up on take off. Full throttle, the prop pops out of the water(yes with the trim ALL the way down) Back seats wont come out! Steering and throttle cables are super stiff. The boat was also a repo boat. But if Brandon did end up getting the boat, i hope it all works out for him!!! I personally could care less if the person i knew got the boat or not! hehe

on the monarch? my understanding it was sold yesterday lol. infact one of my close buddies was supposed to be paying for it today. lol. ole well!

Which one is it? I know john personally, an he's a good guy. If it's the monarch he just sold it yesterday

Nice job jim, keep whackin em. Can't believe how warm the water is! TONS of fishing time left!

Nice meeting you too Jim. Theres a slight chance i may try and make it down in october, if not ill for sure make it down next year. I love the area. We'll have to hook up.

First off I'd like to start out by thanking Terry(Dirty Dog) and Don(Tangled Mess) for the help this week. Both were extremely helpful in putting us on fish. Early early Thursday morning we left for Holland. We launched about 6am and set lines in the channel. Soon as we hit the pier heads we boated 2 kings. Both on riggers on moonshine plugs. After 3 more passes we decided to pull lines and run down to Saugatuck. Boy was that the right move. We proceded to have 18 bites between 8-930. Our landing percentage was TERRIBLE, with having 2 complete rookies manning the rods. They still had a blast and so did we. I believe we ended up with 7 or 8 that day. Most of our hits came on 50 coppers with chrome plugs, and 30 back on divers with a moutain dew spin dr. The amount of alewives in the area was absolutely astounding! As we would pass through the dirty water 10-20 of them would be jumping in the prop wash! Thursday evening was almost the SAME story. TONS of bites, not many fish brought to the boat. Most of it being 3-5 fish at once making the whole rookie thing much more evident. Again 50 coppers and the wire set up was smokin hot. Friday stuff changed all around for us. Our bites decreased to about 10 a trip infront of saugatuck and they stopped hitting the copper and switched over to 2 and 3 color cores and flat lines. The flat lines were best, pulling much bigger fish than other set ups. By Sunday the pier bite was just about done. We moved out to deeper water where we marked tons of bait and tons of fish on the bottom. These fish just didnt wanna go. There was a STIFF current, that made finding fish pretty tough. The pier bite sure produced some large fish over the week, including a 27lb 25, and 3 20-23. (This, our biggest fish weighing in at 27lbs, came over a half mile north of the Saugatuck pier heads on our death troll pulling lines at 1030 am)

I spent a couple of days last week in Frankfort before running to Holland. About 90% of the kings are in the river. Coho fishing was pretty good when you could find the warmer water, which was north past the point. This was right after the huge blow we had that cooled the water to 41 degrees

Hey Jimmy, we had 59 degrees down 85 in 105 fow. Lastnight, tons of bait and tons of trout on the bottom, just no takers. Thought you'd like to know, there must be a helluva temp break between where u were and where we were.

Water temp has dropped to 40-43 degrees. What would your plan of attack be? River channel is only 50-55. What would some of you do?

we used 2 four oz snap weights recently while in frankfort. They took a ton of fish early, including one at 27#. 30ft snap weight, 30ft snap weight. then 30-40ft board. Worked awesome for us. Check out a trolling bible for depths at different speeds of differently weighted snap weights.

Frankfort was AWESOME last week. Check out my 2 reports from lastweek. http://www.greatlakesfisherman.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23859 http://www.greatlakesfisherman.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23917 We were also told meat was taking a lot of fish, but we stuck with our game plan instead. when they turned on, they turned on and we never ran any, although it was in the cooler. Big Weenie brand makes some extremely nice meat rigs that are run behind paddles. Check em out. We left one tuesday during that big blow, i havent heard what that did to the fish yet. Goodluck!!!

Oops sorry dave, i just put everything i woulda put here, in your last post But i will add, dont shorten your leaders. Yes landing fish with a long leader behind a dipsey is very tough. We have issues even with our boat, the rocket launcher always gets in the way But try this, as the fish is on, and your a couple of feet from the dipsey, get the fish's head up. That is by far the most important part, regardless if the fish is 5lbs or 25lbs. Once that fish's head is up, dont stop. Rip that thing right into the net. The hooks arent going to pull out. If you do it just right the fish becomes slightly stunned and ski's right into the net. We do this with EVERY fish possible, including those dandy's we posted out of frankfort, although we do believe throttle control when fighting a large fish is pretty important also, but thats a totally different topic! Hope this helps!

http://www.greatlakesfisherman.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23938 In this post Justin seems to be having the same problem. Like i said in that post i blame most of my dipsey lost fish on user error or snubbers. Especially with wire. We all know how LITTLE stretch there is in wire and braid. This is what we do,.... DONT get too excited when that fish absolutely throttles that rod. Take your time, loosen up that drag and let him run. Don't change the angle of the hook, or put much pressure on the fish until he turns or provides a chance to gain line. It's SOOO easy for hooks tip rip out when using wire or braid. Also lengthening your leader behind your dipsey will give you more stretch. Of course these methods are only used on fish who absolutely throttle the rod. We dont do much for the obvious smaller fish. Those are much easier to land without the hooks ripping out. Most of the time once they turn, u can tighten the drag down and crank it in without letting the fish turn, he'll just swim right in All of this may not be as fun, but it will put more fish in your boat, and cause less crappy feelings when you or your son loses a decent fish. Hope this helps, we learned it from a pretty decorated charter captain and it definitely works for us!

Don't loosen them so much that you're giving the fish slack, but enough that the fish isn't going to rip the hook out. We all know wire has absolutely 0 stretch, and a snubber and the rod sometimes just isnt enough for the super powerful first run. I mean this isnt normally something we do with an obvious 5lb fish, but those fish that absolutely slam it, and you go "wowwwwww!" need a little bit of love before ya get em to the boat!